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    Tricky for Patta Magazine

    Words by David KaneWhat Do You Call It? From Grassroots to the Golden Era of UK Rap took me over three years to write. It wasn’t supposed to. Deadlines came and went, and nine months before it was finally finished, I decided to rip it up and start again. Or at least start the start again. Part of that was driven by a change of start date, at first the book begins at the turn of the century a time fraught with tension (remember the ‘millennium bug’?), political machinations, and creative possibilities, where technology and culture were changing faster than it had for decades. But as I dug deeper, I realised I had to go further back, extending the scope to the start of the 1980s, when rap music landed on our odd little island, imported through the electro-driven hip-hop of Afrika Bambaataa, shaped by sound system culture, inspired by punk and accelerated by rave. And one name kept coming up. Thirty years ago, Tricky released Maxinquaye, and that album changed everything.By the early 90s, the excitement and promise of the UK hip-hop 1.0 had almost fizzled out. Dismissed by the media, denied by music industry gatekeepers, and only the most hardcore fans continued to show interest while the US was going through its golden into the gangsta era, attracting a broader—read, white suburban—rap music fan. There was friction within UK hip-hop, as Trevor Jackson, a.k.a Underdog and head of Bite It! Recordings, one of the few labels releasing consistently challenging hip-hop at the time, put it; “Everyone wanted to get a piece of a very small pie. Some UK foundational figures felt they owned everything and were entitled to success.” The energy in the UK had to come from somewhere and sound like something else.Adrian Nicholas Matthews Thaws grew up in Knowle West, a tough, predominantly white working-class area in South Bristol. Thaws was born to a Jamaican father and a Ghanaian-English mother, a poet named Maxine Quaye, who committed suicide when he was just four years old. His grandmother and various aunties brought him up. It was a happy, if unconventional, childhood despite being surrounded by violence;  “Where I come from, a lot of people are either on drugs, in prison or dead,” he later recalled. Fortunately, Thaws found solace in music. First, he was known as Tricky Kid, a rapper and sometime member of The Wild Bunch, a loose collective of musicians and artists who were so hip it hurt. They formed in the early 1980s and played at warehouse parties and Bristol institutions like St Paul’s Carnival, Special K’s cafe and the dingy Dug Out club. The influence of reggae sound system culture, punk, jazz, soul, and hip-hop were all present, but there was an unhurried melancholy to the music that was unique to a notoriously laid-back and diverse city.The Bristol music scene is a storied one, but The Wild Bunch — including Miles Johnson (a.k.a. DJ Milo), producer Nelle Hooper, Robert Del Naja (a.k.a. 3D), Grant Marshall (a.k.a. Daddy G), and Andrew Vowles (Mushroom) — were arguably the inception point and ruled the roost. Confident aesthetes, rolling around town on hi-tech mountain bikes decked out in Stüssy jeans and Vivienne Westwood shirts with an uncanny knack for sound. Milo introduced Tricky to the crew. He was a shy and sensitive teenager, but he had a supernatural talent for lyrics–sounding like a troubadour of darkness who had toked his way through a maze of marijuana. The collective dissolved in 1987, with Hooper joining Soul II Soul and Milo moving to New York, which left 3D, Daddy G, and Mushroom to form Massive Attack. Tricky appeared in three singles — “Daydreaming”, “Five Man Army” and “Blue Lines” — from the group's seminal debut album, Blue Lines (1991). A broody, epic sounding and insular feeling masterpiece, it helped redefine dance music and coin a new subgenre, trip-hop–a name almost every artist associated with it utterly detests, particularly Tricky. Both Tricky and, to a lesser extent, 3D rap with regional British accents, which was unheard of at the time, but the intention behind Blue Lines was to “Create dance music for the head, rather than the feet”, explained Daddy G. Yet Tricky was more interested in hip-hop. Tensions within Massive Attack (and The Wild Bunch before that) always seemed to be brimming close to the surface. While working on Blue Lines, Tricky produced the demo for “Aftermath”, a bluesy, smoky single with esoteric wood pipe samples featuring the dulcet tones of Martina Topley-Bird and Tricky’s haunting vocals. Tricky offered the track to Massive Attack as they were finalising their debut album, but 3D dismissed it, telling Tricky he’s “Never going to make it as a producer”. The single remained moored to tape, unreleased for a further three years. Shortly after the release of Blue Lines, Tricky departed the group and began working on solo material at a stoned snail's pace. Although ‘Aftermath’ laid the blueprint for what would eventually become his 1995 masterpiece, Maxinquaye (named after Thaws’ mother), a strikingly original body of work “Which acknowledged and accelerated what was new in the 90s, technology, cultural pluralism, and genre innovations.” As adroitly proposed by author Mark Fisher, a stark counter to the “reactionary pantomime of Britpop,” with its refuge in the past.That Tricky was even prepared to take centre stage was partly thanks to the mentorship of Mark Stewart, ex-frontman of legendary new-wave outfit The Pop Group and Bristol sound linchpin, who met Tricky via The Wild Bunch. Stewart is credited as ‘executive producer’ for Maxinquaye. If Stewart were the mentor, Martina Topley-Bird would often be framed as the muse (Tricky went on to have a romantic relationship with Topley-Bird). But in reality, Topley-Bird, who came from a well-off family with experience in the music business, helped influence as well as inspire the music for Maxiquaye, conceiving the jingle jangle melody of “Ponderosa” and provided an unexpected new take on the lyrics from Public Enemy’s “Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos” in “Black Steel”. The legend goes that Tricky met 15-year-old schoolgirl Topley-Bird outside his house, waiting for a bus and invited her to make a song on an impulse. That impulse continued in the eventual studio sessions, where all the vocals were recorded in the first take. Alongside the expected hip-hop, dub and soul influences, there is an art-rock weirdness to the sound, a sludgy filter over the percussion and, of course, that famed dark atmosphere with cracks of piercing light courtesy of Topley-Bird’s soothing vocal. “Let me take you down the corridors of my life.” Tricky beckons on “Hell Is Round The Corner”. Tricky was still in his early twenties when he wrote and recorded Maxinquaye. Yet, he had a pool of life experience to draw from, with no shortage of trauma and complexity, having grown up around gangsters with limited familial affection and often went looking for fights in Bristol’s nightclubs, wearing makeup and a dress. Drugs, sex, dysfunctional relationships, and a broader pre-millennium tension are subjects broached in the record. Despite this heaviness, he appears sensitive as he is streetwise and raw. Two things stand out from Maxinquaye and much of the music Tricky has made since. The first is how quietly Tricky raps, a silently disciplined zig to everyone else's clamorous zag, which demands the listeners' attention. The second is his androgyny as a lyricist; in “Suffocated Love”, a seemingly straightforward track on the inner dialogue of a couple where the man gets the sex, and the woman gets the money, isn't quite what it seems with sexual violence and man's dread of intimacy playing the background; “I keep her warm, but we never kiss / She cuts my slender wrists”. “I think ahead of you, I think instead of you”, Topley-Bird’ teases in response. It’s worth remembering that Tricky is responsible for nearly all the lyrics on Maxinquaye, a morass of gender-bending adventure and sonic contortion. In an interview with Mark Fisher for The Wire, Tricky admits his “Lyrics are written from a female perspective a lot of the time.” This takes us to the fourth significant collaborator on the album—there were others, including The Cure producer Mark Stewart and DJ Howie B, who got burned by the experience, but that’s another story—in the voodoo homage to the mother he never knew, claiming that she channelled his lyrics through him and Martina Topley-Bird. The album prompted universal and hyperbolic critical acclaim, perhaps the most memorable of which was David Bowie's 2,000-word paean in Q magazine. In this, Bowie, in typically Bowie-esc glossolalia, acknowledged the arrival of an heir to his shape-shifting crown (or tiara?) and also recognised that his own game might be up. “Here come the horses to drag me to bed,” Bowie concluded. “Here comes Tricky to fuck up my head.”Despite the success of Maxinquaye—the record proved a completely unexpected commercial triumph, reaching number 3 in the UK album chart, selling over half a million copies since, and regularly appearing in ‘best of’ lists—Tricky’s life didn’t get any easier. There have been battles with mental health, problems with guns (his cleaner’s young son accidentally set off a Uzi in his New Jersey apartment), and a hedonistic lifestyle that almost left him in financial ruin. Most tragically, Mazy, his daughter with Topley-Bird, took her own life in 2019.  Like all great minds, Tricky reminds us how noble, tortured, and downright absurd a creature humans can be. And he writes raps as hard as hell. What Do You Call It? From Grassroots to the Golden Era of UK Rap is out now on Velocity Press. The book is available directly from the publisher, all good book and record stores. It’s a book about the evolution of rap music in the UK, when hip-hop landed on our odd little island in the early 1980s. Shaped by sound system culture, inspired by punk, and accelerated by rave, A sound that has evolved from Britcore, UK hip-hop, and trip-hop of the late twentieth century to garage, grime, and drill. What Do You Call It? is also a story about what it means to be seen and to belong to this country. Get familiar with David Kane or head to your local Patta store to get your copy of Patta Magazine Volume 4 now.
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  • Get Familiar: JAEL

    Get Familiar: JAEL

    Interview by Passion Dzenga | Creative Direction by Rogier de Reiger | Photography by Maria VaroGot love for bass-heavy beats with soulful roots? Get familiar with JAEL, one of the most compelling new talents in Bass and Garage music today. Known for his unique blend of deep bass, 140 bpm and UKG tropes, JAEL is making waves in the scene. On January 31st, he’ll be supporting Sammy Virji at O2 Brixton Academy, the same day he drops his highly anticipated EP Motion Sickness. This project is what he calls a “cocktail of garage, 140 and deep bass,” packed with infectious rhythms and layers of soul.JAEL’s journey is one of reinvention. Formerly known for his R&B and future beats work, he’s now carving out a lane for himself in the world of electronic music. As a long-time member of Soulection, he’s built a global following, touring the world and lighting up stages at Boiler Room Festival and Village Underground. His track Motion Sickness is already a standout, with its skippy, sub-heavy UKG beat and bars from Ghanaian rapper Michael Ekow. And that’s not all – on the same day as the EP release, JAEL’s got a guest mix on Tiffany Calver’s BBC 1Xtra show, giving us even more to be excited about.With Motion Sickness just days away, Jael is not only helping to shape the growing mainstream presence of bass and garage music but is also looking ahead to new projects, remixes, and collaborations—all while maintaining a playful, intuitive approach to music-making. Join us as we unpack Jael’s unique blend of influences, their vision for the future, and what fans can expect from this exciting new chapter.JAEL’s sound is all about balancing his soulful past with his present as an electronic producer. Whether he's performing on massive stages or delivering his music on the radio, it's clear: he’s got love for the culture, the energy, and the people. In this interview, we’re diving into his journey, his influences, and how he’s merging the best of both worlds to create something fresh, real, and full of feeling. Get ready to get familiar with the next wave of JAEL’s already illustrious career.Your new EP Motion Sickness is dropping on January 31st. It’s been described as a mix of Garage, 140, and bass. Can you break that down for us? How would you describe the sound to someone who's never heard it before?For those unfamiliar with the music, it’s got heavy bass with upbeat drums around 137-140 BPM. The 140 track has dubstep influences, with a bit of grimy energy. It’s very rooted in the UK music scene. I grew up listening to UK Garage, 2step beats, and artists like MJ Cole, so it’s that kind of vibe. When I started DJing, I was drawn to that sound, so this project is really me going back to my roots and producing something that resonates with me.You’re from the Netherlands, but your sound has strong UK influences. How prominent was UK dance music like UKG, Dubstep, Grime, and Garage when you were growing up?Well, I’m from Maluku, and in the Netherlands, especially in the Maluku community, everyone loves UK Garage and 2step. Back in the day, at most 2step events, like Speedfreakz, the crowd was mostly Maluku people. It was our sound, and it just stuck with me. That’s why I started DJing in this space, and eventually, I decided to produce it myself.Motion Sickness features Michael Eko, how did that collaboration come about, and what’s it like working with him?I got the vocal topline through my manager and I was like, “This is sick!” I was on a flight to China, didn’t sleep at all, worked on the track, and tested it the same night in the club. That’s when Michael and I got in touch. He’s amazing - his style and vocals are incredible, and he’s into so many different genres. We definitely want to work together more. I didn’t know him before this project, but now we’re planning more tunes together.The blend of your background in UK music and Michael’s international roots is quite a melting pot. What’s it like combining your influences?We both come from different places, and it just works. I think that blend of UK influence, mixed with his roots, really gives the track an exciting energy. It makes total sense for us to work together.Your new EP represents a shift toward more bass-heavy electronic music. What made you decide to make this transition?My DJ sets have always been high-energy, and I’ve played a lot of bass-heavy music. But I never thought about producing it until recently. I was a bit caught between DJing, singing, and producing R&B music. I even made an R&B album in 2021. But I realized I needed to push myself forward as a DJ, so I started focusing on producing electronic music with heavy bass and original tracks. It’s a new direction for me, but it feels right.Do you think your R&B influences will still be present in your new electronic music, or are they separate projects?They’re definitely going to blend. I’m working on a few tracks that mix jungle drums with R&B vocals. So, I’ll be singing on top of those bass-heavy productions. It’s still an experiment, but I have a clear idea of where I want to go with it.How did your time with Soulection shape your current sound and approach to music? Is there anything from that time that you still carry with you today?Soulection was a game-changer for me. I discovered future beats and that whole sound, which was a missing link for me. It opened up my mind to mixing genres. It’s not just about house, R&B, or hip-hop, but combining all of them. Soulection taught me to be open-minded with music, and that’s something I still carry with me today.How do you plan on mixing your soulful background with bass music?Early garage music was all about samples - chopping up vocal bits and pitch-shifting them. What I’m doing with Michael, and what I plan to do in the future, is bringing original soul vocals back into the mix. I love sampling, but I also enjoy recreating samples in a more soulful way, either by playing them live or even sampling myself and my own music. It’s all about layering that soul back into the sound.You’ve got a huge upcoming performance with Sammy Virji at the O2 Brixton Academy. How are you feeling about it, and what can we expect from your set?I’m still trying to wrap my head around it! Sammy Virji is a legend in the UK scene, and I’ve been a fan for so long. It means a lot to me, especially as someone new to this scene. The Brixton Academy is iconic, and I’ve played there before with Soulection, but this is on a whole other level. I’m excited to play a mix of garage, 140, and maybe even some jungle. I want to test the energy and just go with the flow.You’ve also recently played a sold out show at Village Underground in London. There seems to be a strong connection between you and the London crowd. What do you think it is?London has always been a special place for me. I’ve been playing there since I was around 24 or 25, especially during the golden Soundcloud era. I linked up with producers and DJs there, and the crowd always felt right. The UK electronic scene has always inspired me, and when I lived in London for 18 months, I was fully immersed in the scene, doing radio at Rinse and connecting with promoters. It just resonates with me, and the crowd there gives that energy right back.You’ve done some massive performances, including the iconic show at Boiler Room Festival. What does it mean to you to play at these big events?These big shows are crucial. I use them to test new ideas and take risks. For example, at the Boiler Room Festival in London, I played an edit I’d made the night before, and I was nervous since it was a jungle edit in the UK, the birthplace of jungle music. But those moments, where you take risks and see how the crowd reacts, are everything to me. It’s all about pushing myself and challenging myself to grow as a DJ. Even though big crowds can be tough to read, when you hit the right vibe, it’s pure magic.With your improv-heavy sets, how do you prepare for a radio show like your upcoming guest mix for Tiffany Calvin on BBC Radio 1Xtra?For radio shows, I definitely prepare a bit more. For this one, since it’s dropping on the release day of my EP, I focused on tracks that fit the vibe of the EP. I dig for new music, pick tracks that fit the mood, and then create a playlist. I usually go in with about 40 to 50 tracks, even though the set is only 30 minutes. I like having options, so I can freestyle and decide what feels right in the moment.It seems like you're getting quite a lot of support from BBC Radio One and BBC Radio One Extra. How important is radio to you, and how has it influenced your career?It’s huge! Radio is still an amazing platform for me. Not everyone is checking music blogs or streaming platforms, so hearing your track on the radio is a big deal, especially for people who aren’t tuned into the usual platforms. It’s also great for reaching new listeners, which is something I really want to do. Radio still means a lot to me. I’m one of those who only really listens to radio when I’m deep cleaning my house, but when I do, I tune into Jamz Supernova or Benji B. They’ve really supported me a lot, especially with their radio plays and by picking me as the EP of the month.It’s one of the best ways to share and connect with a broader audience. Streaming is big, but radio still plays a big role, especially in reaching those who aren’t as involved in the digital space. The power of taste-makers like Jamz Supernova and Benji B has been key in helping drive music forward. Radio can create entire scenes, just as these taste-makers have shaped the future of festival and club culture. With garage music and bass music making a big comeback in the last five years, what do you think your role is in pushing the genre forward?I’m really excited that garage and bass are making their way into the mainstream. It's something I’ve been watching for years, and I’m so happy to see it getting recognition. As a DJ and producer, I feel like I’m helping introduce new sounds. We were playing things like Brazilian Funk or Amapiano before they hit the mainstream, and it’s exciting to see that movement evolve. As DJs, we’re kind of like educators, introducing new genres to listeners, and when they finally click, it's amazing. I’m always curious about where this scene is going, especially how bass music is blending with other genres. It’s an exciting time.Do you think the mainstream recognition of these genres is beneficial for the culture?Yeah, 100%. It’s great to see these genres get bigger visibility. For young people who only see house or techno parties around them, having bass and garage in the mainstream gives them more options and spaces to explore. It’s important to keep these scenes alive and growing, especially for young, new fans.With all that in mind, can you walk us through your creative process for this EP? Were there any specific rituals or environments that helped you channel your sound?A lot of my inspiration came from festivals I went to last year, like Bass Coast, Lowlands, and Boiler Room in London. I went with the mindset of not just partying, but really observing, absorbing, and getting inspired. I started playing more electronic stuff, which opened up my mind to different sounds. I didn’t want to overthink it like I had in the past. I just wanted to create what I felt. When I was traveling, I’d get super excited about creating something special for the show I was heading to. That energy made its way into the EP.It sounds like you have been really living for the music. With that in mind, what are your long-term goals? Where do you see yourself in five years?My main goal is to keep creating music that resonates with people, whether it's electronic, soulful, or even commercial music down the line. I just want to continue making music from the heart that connects with my fans. Right now, I’m diving deep into bass and electronic music, but I’m also combining it with my soulful side. Who knows where it will go, but I’m open to any style of music. It’s all about evolving and growing, both as an artist and as a person.If you could speak to your younger self, the one who was listening to D'Angelo, what would you say?I’d tell that younger me to keep going and not stop. All that time spent listening closely, soaking in every part of the music, that’s what helped shape the artist I am today. Don’t give up, just keep doing what you're doing, and believe in yourself.That’s some solid advice. One last question—your music comes from such a genuine, soulful place. Do you think that no matter where your sound goes in the future, that joy and soul will always be there?Yeah, definitely. Whatever direction I go in, that soul and joy will always be there. It’s the heart of my music. Whether I’m making bass, garage, or even something completely different, that energy will always be there because it’s part of who I am.Before we wrap up, anyone you want to shout out or thank for this project?Definitely. Shout out to Killing Skills, who’s been mastering my music for the last five years. He’s been a huge part of the sound of my work. Thanks to him for always making my music sound amazing.On January 31st, not only is he dropping his brand new self released EP Motion Sickness, but he’s also supporting Sammy Virji at O2 Academy Brixton - a night you don’t want to miss! This EP is packed with percussive rhythms and soulful layers, blending garage, deep bass, and 140 beats in ways you’ve never heard before from the artist. But that's not all - catch JAEL on BBC 1Xtra that same day, where he'll be dropping a guest mix for Tiffany Calver. Talk about a day full of pure music! With years of global touring and a signature style that merges soulful R&B vibes with electronic beats, JAEL is about to take over. His journey from Soulection member to electronic innovator is just getting started, and Motion Sickness is the perfect introduction to the next chapter of his career. So, what are you waiting for? Stream the EP, grab your tickets to see him live at Brixton, and get familiar with the magic of JAEL. Let the Motion Sickness take over - you won’t regret it. 
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  • Sam Akpro - Evenfall

    Sam Akpro - Evenfall

    Photography by Caleb FemiToday, Peckham, London-born alchemist Sam Akpro announces his debut album, Evenfall, ahead of a March 28th release on ANTI-. Evenfall's ten tracks - which include the previously released singles “Chicago Town” and BBC 6 Music A-List staple “Death By Entertainment” - craft an immersive sonic world, rich in mood and atmosphere - a flowing tapestry of South London noir that's serrated yet dream-like, psychedelic yet pounding with intent. Launching today alongside news of the album is its lead single and title track “Evenfall” a perfect example of the towering world-building and audible chemistry at the heart of Akpro's magnum opus. Fusing shoegaze-tinged guitars, an insistent beat and Akpro's searching vocal, it deserves to be a staple of night bus headphones for years to come. He describes it as existing "somewhere between a before and after space in time, where moments have passed & where events are yet to take place."'Evenfall' comes accompanied by a stunning introductory visual - directed by Pedro Takahashi, who worked with Akpro previously on the MVA-nominated video for “Death By Entertainment” - that perfectly sets out the dusky, inner-city soundscapes of the wider album. It evokes the early hours loneliness of a metropolis that never sleeps, where streams of late-night traffic rush past static underpasses, scenes of stillness and tension colliding.Speaking on the video, Takahashi offers: "'Evenfall' is a culmination of all the videos Sam and myself have collaborated on. Thematically, the video is about fading away in a city that is hard to live in. The idea is to express that if you pick out any individual in this city of millions, you'll find that everyone has their own grand internalised life, full of hopes, fears, dreams and failures.""Long time no see friend. Come around. Listen to this record. I know what you’re thinking. I fully agree. This will take us through this wild time. This will still be the soundtrack on those sunny days. Still hearing it. Sat tight. Cold nights." - James Massiah on EvenfallWatch the music video below.
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  • Nadim - Back 2 the trap

    Nadim - Back 2 the trap

    A collection of trap & drill classics from Patta's Nadim. This is his first mixtape and it is perfect for all our community. So if you're taking on the Patta Running Team January challenge or you're getting ready for a night out on the town, turn this one up and get Back 2 The Trap with Nadim.Nadim · Back 2 The Trap (LIVE SET) 
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  • Tale from the Echobox 017

    Tale from the Echobox 017

    Interview by Joe Leonard-Walters | Edited by Passion DzengaLaunching in 2021, Echobox has been forging a path for community radio by showcasing the diverse characters and concepts that surround them. In this feature, we will be looking into a few of the broadcasts that you can tune into so get locked in and don’t touch that dial.Feel all the feelings: in Hysteria, angelboy plays music that evokes a different emotion every month. You can catch up with this show now on Echobox Radio. Your show plays on emotions and the way we experience them from music - why was important that your show is so personal?I’ve always been someone who feels things deeply (for my astrology girlies: Pisces and water signs DOWN). Emotions are at the core of everything I do, but for a long time, I felt like they were something to tone down. This show became my way of doing the opposite — of cherishing and exploring feelings through music.Besides that, I don’t like to be bound by genres. It makes no sense for me to structure music based on what elements a song has, but rather what it does to you while listening to it. With Hysteria, I wanted to create something that people could use to either shift their mood or fully lean into their emotions. Whether it’s to go from feeling annoyed to finding joy or to dive into grief, embrace it, and hopefully find relief afterward. What's the most hysterical track on your USB?‘Meaning what exactly’ by Coil: a captivating, eerie, and melancholic track that lends itself for many emotional interpretations – as the title implies. I think that is the beauty of music: it can evoke different feelings in everyone, based on taste or experiences. Hysteria thrives on this idea, with guest shows often flipping my own perspective. A song I might find sad could feel euphoric to someone else. With Hysteria you start to hear music not just through your own lens, but through someone else’s emotional state, and it shifts the way you experience it. Is there as much emotion in your DJ sets and productions as your radio shows?Definitely, but in a different way. While Hysteria is about one emotional theme, in my DJ sets I want to guide people through multiple emotions. I often start with tracks that spark curiosity, then slip into more repetitive rhythms that feel meditative, and then it’s about balancing feelings of ecstasy with rougher feelings like frustration or anger. By the end, I aim for a sense of release, leaving you somewhere different from where we started. As well as an Echobox resident, you’re a published author. How does your show relate to your writing?Music and writing are two sides of the same coin for me — they both evoke emotions in unique ways. I always feature poetry in my shows because, like music, it distills feelings into their purest form. A few words can spark something profound, just like a melody or sound. What I love most is how both leave space for interpretation, encouraging listeners or readers to bring their own experiences into the mix. Hysteria is about blending these forms, offering both sound and text as a way to make emotions resonate.Screamo Listening Sessions is a monthly radio show with Marvin Schippmann and more: amplifying emotional & daring music with a lot of screaming. You can catch up with this show now on Echobox Radio.Turns out it isn't just a phase - how did your love affair with screamo start?In the mid-2000’s, when I was between 15 and 16 years old and myspace was still around - I began my journey into the realm of heavier music, and started listening to more punk, hardcore, (mainstream) emo (think of My Chemical Romance) as well as also a lot of metalcore which was all extremely popular at the time. At the time, I had a full-on “scene” phase with black dyed hair, eyeliner and skinny jeans - and most heavy music was introduced to me through friends from school or concerts, bands linking other bands on their myspace page, printed magazines - and of course live shows and festivals’ line-ups. Most festivals were either too expensive for me to visit or far away such as in the US (thinking of Vans Warped Tour, etc.), but I still used the line-ups on festival posters as reference for bands to check out. Ultimately, I still ended up listening to a lot of the heavy music for the mainstream throughout my teenage years and only very little of the music and the shows I experienced in Germany (mainly in Hamburg) during my teenage years, retained much the DIY ethos, honesty, depth and radical form of emotional expression, which were and are essential to screamo and the DIY community. Although there are numerous and important DIY spaces in Hamburg, it took me a while to get to know about them and even longer to get familiar with people involved.    It was actually years later, after I moved to Amsterdam, started studying and eventually began an internship at Patta - that my love for heavy music and in particular screamo would be reignited. I properly fell in love with screamo rather late, in my mid-20’s - when I started to explore more of the genuine roots of the mainstream music I was fed /consumed during my teenage years. For the past 7 years, screamo has been with me every day - and thanks to Echobox I have been able to proclaim my love and admiration for this genre, heavy music as well as DIY culture in public with Screamo Listening Sessions every four weeks, for the past three years. Do you find catharsis in the intense music, or is the rest of your life just as intense?Yes - there is definitely something cathartic about intense music, whether it is screamo, metal, dub or techno. I have been working at Patta for the past 9 years and it is never boring - and especially in busier periods and even stressful moments, music has always functioned as ventile. In particular, feeling overwhelmed and being able to let go of this feeling until feeling at ease with everything (even despite everything) - are two recurring states I find myself in when experiencing intense music, especially at live events. In the process of letting go and accepting being utterly overwhelmed, I often find myself most at ease and in sync with the music around me.    I am actually rather an introvert person and often admire others for their ability to express themselves and convey meaningful thoughts and/or emotions in form of words & essentially sounds. However, moving along with music or dancing to music is a way I feel like I can express myself and give appreciation to music & musicians - so music becomes an important catalyst for expressing my own emotions and thoughts even if it is only through movements. Especially screamo (done well) is able to convey emotions, thoughts and/or opinions that one can empathise and identify with whether or not I actually understand all of the lyrics right away. I am not saying that the lyrical content is irrelevant, quite the opposite is the case (once again if done well - IMO). In this dynamic there is a strong element of identifying with each other on a human level - and confronting each other with the emotions, opinions and/or worries (even trauma - yet also joy & love) we might share - through music even though (or maybe because) most vocals are screamed. Do you have a favourite memory from hosting your show?Sorry, I have a bunch…Such as having all three members of the band, Apousia - for a live broadcast on the show - is a very special memory. Two band members, Luna and Farah - were able to join in person in the studio and drummer Assia - was calling in remotely.  Meeting & interviewing Pierce, GG, TJ and Leon from Soul Glo together with Passion is also high up there. The guest feature with Vincent Shore from Second Guessing, Karnabahar, GGGOLDDD which was the first guest feature with an in-studio guest during live broadcast.If you could pick one track to get someone into screamo, what would it be?“Tigersuit” by Raein Any plans to take the listening sessions offline and in-person? 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